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    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    I only have anecdotical evidence that bio magnetism will work for rashes ... and I have found no serious study about its effectiveness with cancer, so I'll discard it for the time being.
    Hemp seems to be compatible with the current treatment ( if any ) . But then , that decision is up to Mr Banks doctors, not mine.

    Anyway , I have sent the original link to a medical researcher here in Mexico to see what he thinks of the article, and make sure it is not crackpot science. It seems good enough as the other articles from publi med describe a similar action on cancer : induced autophagy of the cancerous cells by the upregulation of the TRIB3 gene.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIB3

    I can only infer that these studies are not widely known because hemp is illegal in almost all countries.
    As you don't have any qualification/training/experience in this particular field I don't think your submissions to the medical establishment will be treated very seriously. Grabbing links from the net isn't research because you have no means at your disposal to analyse information or test hypothesis.

    By the way if the recipient of your communication is a medical researcher you should stop spamming.
    Last edited by Conscious Bob; 11-04-2013 at 11:53 AM. Reason: May as well cut to the chase.
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    You're not convincing anybody here with your lists of links, adelatorre. And Conscious Bob is right, you shouldn't spam the professionals.

    The moment you related your experiences with bio-magnetism you lost a lot of credibility. I suspect you have a believer's mindset. At least in a religious context you'd find support from your fellow dupes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Av Demeisen View Post
    You're not convincing anybody here with your lists of links, adelatorre. And Conscious Bob is right, you shouldn't spam the professionals.

    The moment you related your experiences with bio-magnetism you lost a lot of credibility. I suspect you have a believer's mindset. At least in a religious context you'd find support from your fellow dupes.
    Av Demeisen,
    I think you are not being rational.
    Empiric data collection is a valid source of scientific discovery. We discover natural phenomena though empiric experience, but that is just the starting point. Once a phenomena is discovered the scientific method takes over. Hypothesis are constructed and verified through controlled experiments.

    So my biomagnetism experience was just that and I was very clear about it, admiting I had no scientific evidence :

    I am posting this , regretably full of qualms.
    The only evidence I can provide that biomagnetism works at all is anecdotical and not scientific at all.
    Even science has to admit the existence of phenomena which it can't explain ( like spontaneous cancer remision).
    When faced with such phenomena there are two approaches :
    1) Deny the phenomena a priori.
    2) Study the pehenomena to have an explanation of what happened.
    Science advances when the second option is taken.

    Now ,your behavior is not rational , because when faced with a set of scientific articles you are still in denial.
    By your same arguments I could show you articles explaining that when an electron leaves an atom it disapears and it reapears at a random point away from the atom, even when there is matter blocking its way... you would call it crackpot science ... but it is not , it is called ... quantum tunnelling.
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    As you don't have any qualification/training/experience in this particular field I don't think your submissions to the medical establishment will be treated very seriously. Grabbing links from the net isn't research because you have no means at your disposal to analyse information or test hypothesis.
    1)So , by your same arguments , I can't research papers on quantum tunneling because I don't have a phd in quantum physics ?
    2)I am not spamming. According to wikipedia :

    Forum spam is the creating of messages that are advertisements on Internet forums. It is generally done by automated spambots. Most forum spam consists of links to external sites, with the dual goals of increasing search engine visibility in highly competitive areas such as weight loss, pharmaceuticals, gambling, pornography, real estate or loans, and generating more traffic for these commercial websites. Some of these links contain code to track the spambot's identity; if a sale goes through, when the spammer behind the spambot works on commission.
    1) I am not advertising
    2) I am not promoting any pharmaceutical product or any area on the list.
    3) The links contain no tracking code to the best of my knowledge.
    4) I am not on comission by anyone.

    If you still feel I am spamming feel free to contact the moderators, but I will present the above arguments in my defense.
    The fact that I had sent the links to a researcher was just a comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    1)So , by your same arguments , I can't research papers on quantum tunneling because I don't have a phd in quantum physics ?
    2)I am not spamming.
    I said qualification/training/experience. You may be a proven physics hotshot without a degree yet known and well respected in the field, are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    1) I am not advertising
    2) I am not promoting any pharmaceutical product or any area on the list.
    3) The links contain no tracking code to the best of my knowledge.
    4) I am not on comission by anyone.

    If you still feel I am spamming feel free to contact the moderators, but I will present the above arguments in my defense.
    The fact that I had sent the links to a researcher was just a comment.
    That's your researcher's problem not mine, I'm sure your researcher has to deal with random links sent in by lay people all the time.
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    That's your researcher's problem not mine, I'm sure your researcher has to deal with random links sent in by lay people all the time.
    Easy pal , he is a MD specialized in neuroscience ... and a friend of mine. He's quite open to alternative medicine too : he is learning acupuncture. So it was no spam at all. He is normally quite busy , so he'll take his time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    Easy pal , he is a MD specialized in neuroscience ... and a friend of mine. He's quite open to alternative medicine too : he is learning acupuncture. So it was no spam at all. He is normally quite busy , so he'll take his time.
    No problem mate, you never mentioned he was a friend of yours... He sounds a clever gentlemen. I'm sure he'll give you a polite refusal.
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    Reviewing scientific articals is always to be encouraged and appluaded. There remains a risk of misinterpreting the huuuuge amounts of jargon used, & the standing of the research team (garfield no), the researches h-value, & the journals impact factor should be used to weight credibility. That is what I meant by New Scientist (A UK science publication) being the beano (a UK comic).
    I hope you find your reading on pubmed useful, but I don't think this topic is going to be resolved here, so would like to close it now
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    Faaar too early ... there's too much to discuss

    I was really expecting some links and research just to have a more balanced viewpoint ( with references ) ... lacking the aforementioned action on your part , I'll have to be my own antagonist in a seemingly dialectic process :

    Antagonist link follows ( antithesis :aka Champy's / maladjusted done's rant with appropiate link for further debate ).

    http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk....far/#can-treat

    More thesis ( in espaņol ). Stage I clinical trial ( 2006 ) :
    http://www.cannabis-med.org/spanish/...l.php?id=172#1

    Appropiate synthesis may become available later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    I was really expecting some links and research just to have a more balanced viewpoint ( with references ) ... lacking the aforementioned action on your part , I'll have to be my own antagonist in a seemingly dialectic process
    No point, without the appropriate knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    Appropiate synthesis may become available later.
    Why? You going to medical school?
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