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    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    I don't think so. That's why we have the internet and online journals and articles.

    Does that mean that a layman can't point me in the right direction when trying to choose a programming language or technique ?
    Nice comparison, if your recommendation's don't work we'll just press control, alt, delete. You have no training, no relevant experience and before this announcement, no previous interest, this is beyond you, this is beyond all of us. The more you argue, the more evident it is you have no idea what you are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious Bob View Post
    Nice comparison, if your recommendation's don't work we'll just press control, alt, delete. You have no training, no relevant experience and before this announcement, no previous interest, this is beyond you, this is beyond all of us. The more you argue, the more evident it is you have no idea what you are talking about.
    At least I provided a link to a medical journal , you on the other hand have only provided a mouthfull of hot air. You can rant all you want, but unless you provide some reference this discussion is over for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    At least I provided a link to a medical journal , you on the other hand have only provided a mouthfull of hot air. You can rant all you want, but unless you provide some reference this discussion is over for me.
    I know nothing useful about terminal cancer, neither do you. Accept the fact he's under the care of professionals.
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    I find it offensive when an occasion as this is used to promote quackery. This feebleminded nonsense will do the person affected as much good as running naked through the woods covered in pig shit.

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    Adelatorre, I'm certain that your intentions are well meaning.
    However, well intentioned bad advice is just as dangerous when it comes to medical matters.
    And 90% of the internet is pure BS.
    To that extent the only contribution I could make is "See your Dr". They have the history of the patient, know otjer conditions and medication that may interact negatively, etc.

    This is a forun dedicated to & populated by fans of a sceptical rationalist author. Anything is going to be strongly questioned.
    Hell, New scientist is known as the beano, if it's not out on pub med, don't bother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champagne Socialist View Post
    Adelatorre, I'm certain that your intentions are well meaning.
    However, well intentioned bad advice is just as dangerous when it comes to medical matters.
    And 90% of the internet is pure BS.
    I completely agree with Champagne Socialist

    I also add that even if there was something useful in this thread there is no time for any terminal cancer patient to try all these different treatments.

    The best thing you can do in common with the rest of us Adelatorre is hope for the best.
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    I find it offensive when an occasion as this is used to promote quackery. This feebleminded nonsense will do the person affected as much good as running naked through the woods covered in pig shit.
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    Though haven't looked the original source, the souces I provided are

    1) The journal of clinical investigation
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673842/
    As far as I can see it is a serius publication :
    http://www.scimagojr.com/journalsear...=15870&tip=sid

    2. I am adding the link to a well known scientific publication : Nature
    http://www.nature.com/nrc/journal/v1...s/nrc3247.html

    Admitedly even scientific journals make mistakes from time to time , but I simply can't accept that you discard as quakery findings published in two well stablished journals.

    The best thing you can do in common with the rest of us Adelatorre is hope for the best.
    Conscious Bob : Yes , I hope for the best. Iain Banks is a person who I admire and whose writting I will miss enormously when he passes by.

    This is a forun dedicated to & populated by fans of a sceptical rationalist author. Anything is going to be strongly questioned.
    Hell, New scientist is known as the beano, if it's not out on pub med, don't bother.
    Champaign Socialist.
    New Scientists? Where did that come from? I am using references from two different publications , none of them is new scientists. Who the hell are they? I think you have confused my postings with the ones made by another forum user.
    Yes, of course , you have the right to question and I have the right to research and find credible journals.

    It might be to late ( or not ) . While I recover from the shock I'll assume it is just not too late.
    A friend of my parents had gallbladder cancer six years ago he was death two months after the diagnosis, so I know firsthand how brutally mercilless this cancer type is: the doctor's just said go and rest , and come back when you have pain so we'll sedate you ( I'm not sure but it did sound like some form of euthanasy ... which is illegal here in Mexico ... not that I am against it ... just saying ).

    Finally , as I said in a previous post which apparently you have all blatantly ignored:

    My guess is that this article is good enough to go with a doctor and talk to him on the posibilities of such a treatment given the results obtained in the experiment.
    A professional MD might be better able to evaluate the usefullnes, in that we agree, but not being able to point to an article because I am not an MD is total nonsense.
    So yes, the doctors will have the last word .

    Addendum : please take the time to read the article. It requires some extra reading, but if you still recall your biology classes from highschool plus the videos from the kahn academy you will notice it makes some sence ( Champy , in your case your wife might also find it interesting independently of the usefullnes for IMB ).
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    Okay, bio magnetism, hemp or the current treatment, which one do we go for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    Av Demisen
    Though haven't looked the original source, the souces I provided are

    1) The journal of clinical investigation
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673842/
    As far as I can see it is a serius publication :
    http://www.scimagojr.com/journalsear...=15870&tip=sid

    2. I am adding the link to a well known scientific publication : Nature
    http://www.nature.com/nrc/journal/v1...s/nrc3247.html

    Admitedly even scientific journals make mistakes from time to time , but I simply can't accept that you discard as quakery findings published in two well stablished journals.
    So quotes from the Gzilt Book of Truth then. No wonder I couldn't make sense of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champagne Socialist
    Hell, New scientist is known as the beano, if it's not out on pub med, don't bother.
    Hey , Champy , some good and some bad news :
    Bad news ... I still don't know wtf is New scientist.... I'll google it later , promise.
    Good news ... I found tons of references in pub med . Thanks for the idea!!

    First , the original article :
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673842/

    Then the articles I found in publi med :
    Cannabinoids may be therapeutic in breast cancer.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23448745

    Cannabinoids: a new hope for breast cancer therapy?
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22776349

    The endocannabinoid system and cancer: therapeutic implication.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21410463

    Cannabis-derived substances in cancer therapy--an emerging anti-inflammatory role for the cannabinoids.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20925645

    Local delivery of cannabinoid-loaded microparticles inhibits tumor growth in a murine xenograft model of glioblastoma multiforme.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23349970

    Anti-tumoral action of cannabinoids on hepatocellular carcinoma: role of AMPK-dependent activation of autophagy.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475304

    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious Bob
    Okay, bio magnetism, hemp or the current treatment, which one do we go for?
    I only have anecdotical evidence that bio magnetism will work for rashes ... and I have found no serious study about its effectiveness with cancer, so I'll discard it for the time being.
    Hemp seems to be compatible with the current treatment ( if any ) . But then , that decision is up to Mr Banks doctors, not mine.

    Anyway , I have sent the original link to a medical researcher here in Mexico to see what he thinks of the article, and make sure it is not crackpot science. It seems good enough as the other articles from publi med describe a similar action on cancer : induced autophagy of the cancerous cells by the upregulation of the TRIB3 gene.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIB3

    I can only infer that these studies are not widely known because hemp is illegal in almost all countries.
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