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    Well, if it make you feel better adelatorre.
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    @Andy Gray: That is indeed the thesis of the book. The problem isn't with the whole pharma industry, or even only the pharma industry. The research teams want to do good science (full disclosure, I'm friends with researchers), but then the managers take it, and the marketing department.

    @Adelatorre You did begin a thread promoting alternative therapy. But please don't take my post as a personnal attack on you or your beliefs. My contention is that conventional medicine will contribute most to TMH's wellbeing and comfort. 1: because it has been proven to work, and 2: because of TMH's stated opinion of "quack pot pseudo science", he is unlikely to try it.

    Given the extent and progress of the cancer they aren't going to try to treat (treatments having the side effects), but managing his condition and comfort.

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    @Adelatorre You did begin a thread promoting alternative therapy. But please don't take my post as a personnal attack on you or your beliefs. My contention is that conventional medicine will contribute most to TMH's wellbeing and comfort. 1: because it has been proven to work, and 2: because of TMH's stated opinion of "quack pot pseudo science", he is unlikely to try it.
    Champagne, the thread has the title "Cancer info , remedies , alternative treatments" so it is not just about alternative therapy.
    If you take some minutes to see my first post you'll see its a video which lays out the bold idea that our bodies malfunction / weaken and become hosts for cancer.
    The underlying systemic mechanism is what interests me. Will someone know of a remedy / treatment to attack bladder cancer ?
    The video talks about woman with breast cancer and giving them medicine for ostheoporosis to stop them from methastasising. In my opinion that is :
    A) Pure science
    B) An alternative treatment

    That said , I do not feel you are attacking me , I just think you dindn't pay close attention.
    Now , what interests me more is if your wife or some of her coleages would happen to know about some remedy equivalent to the ostheoporosis pill for the bladder cancer. Wouldn't it be great news ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    Champagne, the thread has the title "Cancer info , remedies , alternative treatments" so it is not just about alternative therapy.
    Iain is known for having an empirical viewpoint and a faith in science and as he said he has received excellent care from the UK National Health Service I believe him. All we can do is hope for the best. I ask you with regard to this, not to open the door to every snake oil salesman infesting the net. We are not cancer specialists, we don't know anything useful.
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    A duplicate, the perils of using your phone to post...
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    hmmm ... anecdotical experiences apart there does seem to be some scientific bases for the hemp use in cancer ... I must admit I'm quite astonished ( that particular post wasn't mine ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    hmmm ... anecdotical experiences apart there does seem to be some scientific bases for the hemp use in cancer ... I must admit I'm quite astonished ( that particular post wasn't mine ).
    You cured anyone of cancer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious Bob View Post
    You cured anyone of cancer?
    No, of course not . I am just commenting on the article link I posted. Did you even mind reading it?


    The hemp oil remedy seemed quaky to me too at first , then I found the article; this article makes it sounds plausible (that's my opinion) that it may be usefull as a suplementary treatment for people with cancer.

    The title :
    Cannabinoid action induces autophagy-mediated cell death through stimulation of Endoplasmic Reticulum stress in human "brain cancer" cells
    and an abstract :
    Of interest, cannabinoid administration produced similar activation of "Endoplasmic reticulum" stress and autophagy, as well as cell death, in other human astrocytoma cell lines (Supplemental Figure 2, A–F), a primary culture of human glioma cells (Supplemental Figure 2, G–I), and several human cancer cell lines of different origin, including pancreatic cancer (Supplemental Figure 2, J–L), breast cancer, and hepatoma (data not shown).
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    No, of course not . I am just commenting on the article link I posted. Did you even mind reading it?
    So you haven't cured anyone of cancer. I haven't cured anyone of cancer either, like you I can offer no useful opinion on the efficacy on this or any of the other treatments you've linked, this is the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious Bob View Post
    ...like you I can offer no useful opinion on the efficacy on this or any of the other treatments you've linked, this is the real world.
    I don't think so. That's why we have the internet and online journals and articles.

    Does that mean that a layman can't point me in the right direction when trying to choose a programming language or technique ?
    No , it isn't so. We have this wonderfull and awfull thing called internet with tons of information which is sometimes a pain in the neck to navigate and find what we are looking for. An even greater difficulty might be diferentiating true from false information, as anyone can upload anything. Fortunately we have online journals and publications which form the most reliable sources within the internet ( not that they are 100% relliable ).

    So this article is a jewel. Most of the notes I found on cannabis were anecdotes. This comes from a scientific journal . you even stated that IMB has "faith" in science, though faith is the wrong word; confidence is more appropiate, and such confidence comes from experiments which are documented and can be replicated.

    So we now have an article which outlays the mechanism by which active substances in cannabis help destroying cancerous cells by promoting aptosis.
    I find the article quite valuable and supporting previously known empirical data .

    My guess is that this article is good enough to go with a doctor and talk to him on the posibilities of such a treatment given the results obtained in the experiment.
    A professional MD might be better able to evaluate the usefullnes, in that we agree, but not being able to point to an article because I am not an MD is total nonsense.
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