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    While the benefits of cannabis as a cancer killer are still nebulous, it has shown to be of great benefit in helping with the pain, fatigue, and appetite loss of terminal cancer. A long time friend of mine had a situation similar to Banks. She went to doctor to have what seemed a minor problem checked and was told she had pancreatic cancer and had only months to live. She claimed smoking cannabis helped both relieve the pain and keep her appetite up. No small benefits when you know you have but months to live. I hope Iain was kept in good supply, by his family and friends, to help ease his last few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious Bob View Post
    Indeed so but I have always made sure that anything I've posted or linked I've always understood precisely because I don't have specialist knowledge, take that last link it starts:

    'Stimulation of the midkine/ALK axis renders glioma cells resistant to cannabinoid antitumoral action' and on it continues in the same vein.

    You're posting stuff and you don't have a clue what it means adding in sentences like 'the following article explains why' well yeah if we were all oncologists.
    1. Yes , of course , it has lot of specialized terms, but carefull examination plus a bit of internet reading can render the article more clear.

    Midkine is a protein coded by a gene. It is responsible of cell growth and reproduction and cell migration . When cancer cells actívate this gene the apoptosis mechanism triggered by canabinoids becomes ineffective. Hence , researchers are trying to find a way to de-actívate this gene in cancer cells to make more effective the action of cannabinoids.
    The study is limited to brain cancer cells ( glyoma ) .

    The rest of the article is harder to read, but the general idea is easy to understand.
    This is actually a complement to a previous article in which glyoma patients were treated with canabinoids but the results varied greatly from a couple of months to two years. In that sense this new articles brings light on why the survival rates varied so much ( glyoma's resistance to canabinoids varies greatly ) and the variation is due in part to the activation of the midkine gene ( on the other hand midkine has also been used as an anti-hiv protein, I guess that's bad news for someone with cancer and hiv ).

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16474431

    In the past I posted from other layman level publications ( e.g. Nature ) , but then your reaction was that it was not a valid source. Since then I posted only articles from the National Center for Biotechnology Information . But now the source is not valid because I have a layman level on biology. Even worse you still mock the fact that I use internet sources as if all internet sources had the same low level credibility. Give me a break Bob. How am I supposed to cary out a rational discussion in this way ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Vig View Post
    I am not an oncologist (IANAO), but actually, that paper reads quite well. Cannabis can kill brain tumours. The tumours fight back by producing a chemical that reduces the effect of the cannabis. The scientists would like to understand how to reverse that effect.
    It's typical of papers/articles you see in the media. A small step in understanding with some promise of a therapy some day. Not very much use to a man dying from cancer today.
    Thanks. You've actually shown it is not so hard to understand the article. I've posted this last article after Iain's death just as a follow up to the previous articles ( particularrly one that included cannabinoids to treat glyoma).
    Right , not much help for a dying man , but insightfull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    In the past I posted from other layman level publications ( e.g. Nature ) , but then your reaction was that it was not a valid source. Since then I posted only articles from the National Center for Biotechnology Information . But now the source is not valid because I have a layman level on biology. Even worse you still mock the fact that I use internet sources as if all internet sources had the same low level credibility. Give me a break Bob. How am I supposed to cary out a rational discussion in this way ?
    Back then Iain was alive with months to live and when this thread popped up I thought the subject matter was a little (heh) inappropriate.

    Times change, if you have a passionate interest in potential cures for cancer well go ahead. Regardless of how easy some forumites find these articles to read, no one here (that I know) can properly appraise this information. Then there's the question (as Iain is now dead) for whose benefit are you posting this information for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious Bob View Post
    Back then Iain was alive with months to live and when this thread popped up I thought the subject matter was a little (heh) inappropriate.

    Times change, if you have a passionate interest in potential cures for cancer well go ahead. Regardless of how easy some forumites find these articles to read, no one here (that I know) can properly appraise this information. Then there's the question (as Iain is now dead) for whose benefit are you posting this information for?
    You posted a tribute to Banks under a bridge ... it is rather unlikely many people will read it, and yet you did it because it was anything but proper giving Iain some sort of tribute. In a way this is my tribute for Iain.

    Maybe it will be usefull for someone , maybe not. So far I have not posted only about cannabis , but also about two mainstrem treatments: Gradalis and Jennerex Oncolytic Immunotherapy ( post #48 ).

    Old Vig got a clear picture about the article, I am sure other persons will also understand it and use the information in a proper way (either researching for themselves or consulting with a domain expert), others might just take a roll at the dice.

    Regarding the cannabinoids: I've posted articles explaining why it might work ( it promotes apoptosis ) and why it might fail (cancer cells might activate the midkine gene) , along with one clinical trial. That makes the 2000+ readers of the thread better informad and able to take better decisions ( e.g. they can choose between 2 mainstream treatments and an alternative one which might be hard to embrace given the legal situation of cannabinoids).
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    adelatorre, you should have noticed by now that CB and rational discussions are like oil and water, they don't mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charismatic megafauna View Post
    adelatorre, you should have noticed by now that CB and rational discussions are like oil and water, they don't mix.
    Or hydrogen and fire...
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelatorre View Post
    You posted a tribute to Banks under a bridge ... it is rather unlikely many people will read it, and yet you did it because it was anything but proper giving Iain some sort of tribute. In a way this is my tribute for Iain.
    Good point, I'll accept that.

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    adelatorre, see what I mean by CB and rationality, poor guy can't even get his metaphors correct. Hydrogen and fire mix easily to form water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charismatic megafauna View Post
    adelatorre, see what I mean by CB and rationality, poor guy can't even get his metaphors correct. Hydrogen and fire mix easily to form water.
    Hydrogen and fire... HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN!

    Try mixing hydrogen, oxygen and igniting the mixture to see what happens, the end result is water after the explosion, lunatic.
    Last edited by Conscious Bob; 22-10-2013 at 07:43 AM. Reason: Mix it a bit...
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