PDA

View Full Version : Culture on Facebook



Forum Admin
17-04-2012, 02:34 PM
Hi forum,

I know I've been very quiet lately, and I'm glad you are all enjoying yourselves here (thanks to those who have kept it ticking along, you are my heroes). So, as you know, there's going to be a new book later in the year from Iain M Banks – The Hydrogen Sonata – and I can see from the other thread that the speculation and excitement is building up already.

Partly to celebrate that, and also partly to spread the Culture love across the internet, we (Iain's publishers) are going to be setting up a dedicated Culture Facebook page for fans and readers. And we were wondering what sort of stuff you (the fans and readers) would like to see on it.

Those of you who use Facebook regularly will know it’s an unwieldy and changeable beast, so I can’t promise everything you suggest will be up there. But if you have any ideas - particular subjects you’d like to explore on there, handy resources that you know of - let us know and we’ll do our best to get it included.

Happy reading!

Iain’s publishers.

PS. There’s an Iain Banks (author) Facebook fan page that hasn’t been updated in a while. Does anyone know who owns that page? We’d love to track them down so we can help keep it up to date as well.

Deep Black
17-04-2012, 04:06 PM
Hi & thanks for the heads up

I don't mean to speak out of turn here but my initial though is - "NNNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooo".

Please allow me to explain a little.

I'm not a facebook user myself, I know that's rather behind the times now, but I'm just not a fan of it.
That said I'm aware that that's the way the wind is ablowing nowadays & we can't stand in the way of progress.
It is admittedly a good source of information but it has the tendency to kill off the little guys - like this very forum.

I have been members of other author forums & once the facebook page is up & running the people off the forum drift away, few new people sign up, it goes quiet, people loose interest & it's forgotten about.

The conversations, discussions & "chat", just don't seem to be there on the face book.

Still maybe it's just me :) If it does go ahead (& I expect it will) I'll happily make suggestions to make it as good as possible...

Champagne Socialist
17-04-2012, 04:45 PM
Recipes for Nixon burgers :-)
Lists of ship names?

HS is due out in October (according to TMH at book reading), so I'm sure there's time for better qualified people to come up with serous suggestions. I'm afraid I don't use facebook you see, ut am in favour of whatever spreads the IMB utopianist love.
What's normally on facebook?

GSV "This Ends Badly"
17-04-2012, 06:47 PM
Facebook, as Deep Black suggested has the ability to really stave off any actual discussions in regards to IMB's works. The marketing prowess that Facebook offers would prove beneficial to the interest in the latest Culture novel - again though, beyond that, it really would not build upon any solid discussions. I would happily offer some suggestions, but strongly believe that individual forums such as this hold more weight with the readers than a cut and dry corporate application such as Facebook.

charismatic megafauna
17-04-2012, 07:44 PM
Does anybody above the age of 30 use or visit Facebook?

Mjolnir
17-04-2012, 08:50 PM
I think the title of this thread may be an oxymoron.

I'm not a heavy Facebook user, but it does occur to me that if Banks were willing to do a Google Plus hangout around the time of new book releases, it would be a relatively simple way for him to engage directly with a large part of his fan base.

von hitchofen
18-04-2012, 02:14 AM
I'm not a facebook user myself, I know that's rather behind the times now, but I'm just not a fan of it.
That said I'm aware that that's the way the wind is ablowing nowadays & we can't stand in the way of progress.
It is admittedly a good source of information but it has the tendency to kill off the little guys - like this very forum.

I'm a facebook refusenik too, can't stand the wretched site

I will stay here on the forum, for as long as there's a forum to stay on [or I'm banned ;)]

Champagne Socialist
18-04-2012, 06:44 AM
if Banks were willing to do a Google Plus hangout around the time of new book releases, it would a relatively simple way for him to engage directly with a large part of his fan base.

That is an inspired idea

Forum Admin
18-04-2012, 10:04 AM
That all makes sense. We were thinking of the Facebook page as another entry point into the world of Iain M Banks for those who aren't on the forum but are on Facebook. I think Deep Black's right that there's not as much of an interface for discussion on Facebook itself, and it is in no way a replacement for this forum at all - it'd act as a signpost, we hope, to the bigger discussions that go on here, and hold extra information about The Culture. Sort of like a starter kit.

Anyway, I'll leave this here for a week to give people a chance to respond if they wish, and then move it to admin announcements (so people don't see me bleating about Facebook as soon as they hit the forum and get diverted).

A Google+ Hangout is a great idea.

ianstanton
18-04-2012, 12:30 PM
Hey Forum Admin

Thanks for your post. Unusual for (some) publishers to actually speak to fans and ask for our thoughts! Thanks!

I think that's a great idea. I know loads of people complain about Facebook, but I use it quite a lot and so do my friends, despite my and their complaints. Relating to someone like an author, I use it for news and events information, rather than discussion, which is something a forum is more suited to. Would be cool if you could use the Facebook page to share Iain M. Banks related news, and related events. That kind of stuff is sometimes quite rare, and really easy to miss, resulting in missing it out on the few things that happen. Would be cool to gather together all of his related content, like videos, interviews, articles etc, although, i think you do that on his site, which is a fine place to do it too.

And to set the matter straight, just in case anyone was still wondering, I'm 34, so that is evidence that people over 30 do use Facebook.

One thing that I would find quite helpful, although not sure if the author website is a better place for it than Facebook, is a glossary. In the recent book, I got a bit lost a couple of times with all the ship/hub mind and Contact division names. Would be good if you could do a non-spoiler causing glossary, that you could use to look up who the hell some of the characters/institutions are.

Good luck with building the page in Facebook. I'm sure it will be hell using their developer tools! :)

ianstanton
18-04-2012, 12:42 PM
P.S. Forum Admin, while you're listening :)
Iain M. Banks is one of the few authors that truly does make me laugh out load. You need to convince him to tweet. That would be a treet.

Champagne Socialist
18-04-2012, 01:08 PM
Yeah, I can imagine Facebook being great for the appearances, visiting, new releases, etc
And if it drives more people toward the forum here then I'm sure we'll all be very welcoming and accommodating :-)
Although we will probably end up doing kids homework for them again...

Old Vig
18-04-2012, 02:44 PM
The only problem I have with Facebook convergence is being blocked from work, so you'll be helping me with my cyberskiving problem ;-)

charismatic megafauna
18-04-2012, 08:15 PM
Twitter is the foremost anti-intellectual/anti-literary site of our time. 2 suggest TMH tweet, WTF.

Deep Black
18-04-2012, 08:35 PM
Ian - I think many of those things you mention are on this forum (there's a great "appearances" section on here & the main site as iain-banks.net has all the basic info & back dated stuff.

A glossary is a nice idea.

This is pretty good (but out of date):
http://www.iainbanksfaq.haddonstuff.co.uk/


it is in no way a replacement for this forum at all - it'd act as a signpost, we hope, to the bigger discussions that go on here, and hold extra information about The Culture

May I suggest a bib link to this forum, right on the 1st page of the facebook page, that never moves form there.

Would this facebook site only "hold extra information about The Culture", seems to me it should cover the non Culture SF books & the non"M" novels too...

charismatic megafauna
19-04-2012, 01:47 AM
For those seeking glossaries, ship names, etc check Wikipedia, they have a huge amount of info on Banks and the Culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iain_Banks); also check the Culture Wiki (http://theculture.wikia.com/wiki/The_Culture_Wiki).

daveh
19-04-2012, 07:00 AM
Might I humbly suggest a few links for those looking for information
Calendar - http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=banksoniain%40gmail.com
Fanzine - http://efanzines.com/Banksoniain/index.htm

Facebook - I am over 30 and use Facebook, mainly for my other fandom. Not a great place for the sorts of discussions that kick off here, but a useful way of disseminating information and also finding others interested in the same things as you, and alerting you to what is new.

Twitter - Iain spoke about this at Foyles and someone blogged about it: http://wineconversation.com/thats-the-long-and-short-of-it/

FearfulSymmetry
20-04-2012, 12:20 PM
I used Facebook to keep in contact with a couple of old friends who aren't on twitter... and I dislike facebook so much I've not been doing that for a while - though I suspect I'll go back to it at some point in the future. You don't actually have to have TMH on twitter but if you had an account where the publishers gave news etc (and it wasn't too spammy) then I'd def follow that.

RedKing
20-04-2012, 11:54 PM
Briefly, Facebook No, Google Plus hangout Yes.

Brutalsubtlety
24-04-2012, 12:06 AM
Facebook? Many naughty-swears were uttered.
Facebook, evil wizard, a corrupter and a deceiver...

More importantly, you're not afraid to make the hard decisions. If that means securing a strong book launch by staging an alien invasion that results in the destruction of New York City and brutally murdering millions to cover it up, so be it.:rolleyes:

Champagne Socialist
24-04-2012, 07:41 AM
The only problem I have with Facebook convergence is being blocked from work, so you'll be helping me with my cyberskiving problem ;-)

http://www.tunnelbear.com/

Champagne Socialist
14-05-2012, 02:55 PM
Actually, Admin, if we still have your attention, recently I came across an iPhone app for forum access (tapatalk), perhaps you could get something like that enabled for here, and perhaps tie it into the Iain Banks app.
The more people we can get connected the better.

PS Thanks for Coming
20-05-2012, 10:25 PM
I like the idea, but I would also say what Deep Black said about having a link to here for those who really want to discuss Iain's work. I know we probably look like we are being luddites but you are right to go the Facebook route - free publicity and an open house for updates, news etc.

Forum Admin
30-05-2012, 09:15 AM
You definitely do not look like you're being luddites.


recently I came across an iPhone app for forum access (tapatalk), perhaps you could get something like that enabled for here

That is a smashing idea. I will look into it and see what I can rustle up in terms of activating it for this forum.

Bascule
15-06-2012, 02:53 PM
It's also available for Android! ;-)

Uatec
06-09-2013, 02:51 PM
What happened to Tapatalk? I tried to use it the other day, but it wont seem to allow me to log on to this forum. :|